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Comments on Jong Sao in Chi Sao training.

"Again, one can do anything in Chi-Sao with a friendly partner. It is Chi-Sao with a stranger that posts the major problem. No one will stand around and set up rules for that engagement. If you are facing incoming Jong Sao, you are at a disvantage. Very possible that you are finished. Be cautious."  ---Lester Moy 2

"Hi Lester,

I don't think the two views are really that opposing.  Words sometimes get in the way and are limited.  The word "normal" is so subjective.  What is normal for me may not be normal for you.  I like the word basic.  In Chi Sao, I believe we can say, basic Chi Sao training is when you are developing your fundamental skills:toi ma, single hand techniques, double hands techniques.  Advance is when you have greater control over your skills:chur kil chi sao,mo lau sau,chi sao with kicks, chi sao striking upper gate, etc.

I think there is a difference between Jong Sao and Jong techniques.  In terms of Jong Sao, Jong Sao is when your hands have gone through the wooden dummy training and have attained high level abilities.  Sifu Moy Yat described the dummy as a tool, just as like a typewriter.  It cannot teach you better grammar (new techniques), it can only make your penmanship (better timing) better.

We have also heard "Don't use Jong Sao against your younger brother in Chi Sao."  This is because when a student uses "Jong Sao" - hands that have been polished through training the dummy, he or she would inevitably dominate rather that guide the younger brother.

"Jong techniques" is situational techniques that derive from the dummy form.

I do agree with brother Miguel that you have to experiment because life doesn't always come at us the same way, just as how things happen in Chi Sao.  Knowing when to experiment is key and that depends what stage and where you are within a stage and what goals you have set for yourself." ---William Moy